November 30, 2005

  • What Is Happiness? A Socrates Cafe Topic

    The topic choices for Socrates Cafe this week are ” What is enlightenment, and is it easier or more difficult to attain in modern times?” and “What is happiness?  Is it the result of circumstances or a state of being? What is the difference between happiness and love?” Both of them are interesting to me, but time constraints force me to choose only one, so it must be happiness.

    I did something that I usually do not do before I write these blogs, and that is that I visited a few of the other blogs on this topic. I try not to do that because I want my blog to be about my own thoughts and not influenced by the thoughts of others. It was interesting to read first this time, though, because I found myself in total agreement with at least one blog, in partial agreement with most of the others, and in partial disagreement with some.

    If you have read my other Socrates Cafe blogs, some of this one will seem very familiar to you, because I believe that all feelings are caused within the person, so any discussion I would have about the origin of any feeling would include this concept. I am a great believer in the theories of Albert Ellis regarding the origins of feelings. He says that we cause our own feelings by the meanings that we assign to the events of our lives. He further believes that unpleasant feelings are the result of irrational thought patterns. I suspect that Dr. Phil is also a fan of Albert Ellis.

    Ellis’s theories speak very powerfully to me. They explain why people who have almost nothing can be very happy and why people who seem to have everything can be desperately unhappy. To me, this is evidence that happiness is caused by the decisions that we make or the meanings that we assign. I am not saying that those decisions are conscious, although I think that they can be. Most of the time, though, our minds leap from observation of the events going on outside of us to the meaning that we assign to those events within ourselves so quickly that we perceive the events as causing the feelings, when in fact they do not.

    So, if strolling through gently falling snow at dusk makes me happy, which it does, that is because of some meaning that I attach to it, not because of the snow, the low light levels, or the cold which accompanies them. If I think hard enough, I might be able to figure out why that makes me happy. It might be because of something I read long ago in a favorite book, it might be because of a beautiful scene from a movie, it might be because of another experience I had. The fact is, though, that walking in that snow would not have the same effect on everyone. Some people might find it annoying because they might think that it would make the drive home even more difficult and frustrating than usual. Some people are afraid of walking outside in poorly lighted areas because they believe that that provides an opportunity for crime. Some might fear slipping and falling. Some don’t like cold and might wish that they were on a sunny beach instead of walking in the snow. Most definitely, the situation I describe would not evoke happiness in all people.

    People who are happy most of the time have developed ways of looking at life that facilitate that feeling. They focus on what they have, not what they would like to have but do not. They look at the good in people and the things they enjoy about them, instead of looking at the bad choices those people make or the irritating qualities that they have (that’s a very judgmental remark, but I can’t come up with a better way to phrase the thought). If life is rough, they believe that it will get better. If a cherished relationship ends, they believe that they can form a new relationship. In short, they practice optimism most of the time. Association with those people is very pleasant.

    If happiness is not externally caused, neither is unhappiness. People and events cannot make me unhappy. I do that myself by the meanings that I assign and by allowing myself to dwell on those meanings. Some of the blogs that I read identified depression as the antithesis of happiness. I do not believe that that is the case. True clinical depression is not a synonym for unhappiness. It is a physical condition caused by alteration of chemistry in the brain. I am basically a very happy person. I also have a tendency towards depression. When I am depressed, I want to lie in bed and sleep all day. I do not want to be with people. I do not feel good about myself. I do not enjoy life. I am not sad and I am not unhappy. It may sound strange, but I can actually feel happy when I am depressed. They are different sensations. The happiness I experience when I am depressed is not the same as the happiness I experience the rest of the time. It is a much duller feeling, not the true joy that I usually associate with the concept of happiness. Perhaps it’s really the memory of being happy and the belief that I will be happy again. Nevertheless, it’s a feeling that can be there..

    I am fortunate, because when I am depressed, there are things that I can do to help myself feel better. I can take a shower and get dressed even though it seems like very hard work to do that. I can go outside for a walk. I can listen to music. I can talk to my husband or my friends. I can read a book. I can cuddle my cats. I can exercise. I can turn off the TV. I can clean my house. I can go to church. There are many things I can do to help myself. Most of them involve becoming more physically active. Sometimes, in fact often, it is very hard to do them, so I lie around for awhile first, but I can pull myself out of the depression if I can make myself put the effort into doing that. I think that the actions I take change my brain chemistry and help me feel better. (By the way, chocolate does not work for me.)

    Not everyone who is depressed is so fortunate. I honestly believe that some people require medical/psychological care and/or medication to correct the imbalance that causes depression. I think their very lives depend upon it. I think that it is important to realize that. Depression is no different than any other condition that is caused by an alteration in body chemistry. Diabetes can be offered as a parallel. Some diabetics can manage their disorder with diet and exercise. Some require medication. Either way, diabetics should never be made to feel responsible for being diabetic. It is a physical illness. So is depression.

    I have made my case for the origin of happiness and, in fact, for the origin of all feelings. In response to the question “What is the difference between happiness and love?”, love is similar to happiness in that it is an emotion and is therefore caused by the meaning we assign. Happiness is more internally directed, I think. Love is externally directed. Love is not the same as attraction. I think that it is quite possible to be attracted to someone who is not loved. To me, love is an appreciation of that other person. There are many kinds of love, but I think that they all involve that appreciation. Love is the ability to see the good in a person, not to focus on things that are seen as faults. It involves a certain degree of acceptance. To some extent, it reserves judgement. In the end, it is a feeling that is caused within ourselves by the meanings we assign to the person who is loved. It is another whole blog!

Comments (28)

  • Well said.  I may be back later with a question, but for now I want to take a little time to contemplate.

  • Wow!  This was an excellent entry.  I found myself nodding with understanding of why walking through snow would make you happy.  Maybe it’s the sun reflecting from the snow or how the snow can make everything feel quiet unless you walk on a very crunchy patch..

  • The other thing is, sometimes the very thing that makes you happy at one time does not make you happy at another time.  For example, your snow description.  Sometimes it can make me happy, when I have time to appreciate its beauty, and I know I don’t have to be out in it very long.  Other times, I can focus more on the undesirable qualities of that event. 

    I do think that there are some situations, such as financial status, that can make it a lot EASIER to be happy!

  • I greatly appreciate your case for definition and origin of happiness and of all feelings.  I agree on your comment on happy or unhappy being defined by the meanings we place on something.  I also like your take on happiness being more internal and love being more external.  I shall ponder this further.  I never thought of happiness and love like that.  It would be great to continue a discussion on happiness and love, and also love, appreciation, acceptance and attraction.

  • Here I am to link This week has really surprised me. I see something happening more than I’d noticed before in the forum. Each blog is serving as a miniature Socrates Cafe. With all the questioning and answering going on, we are really creating something amazing here. So keep the questions flowing! I’ll be back to ask some of my own.

    By the way, no, I’m sorry, but I hadn’t noticed the guestbook. How silly of me. I was checking for replies to the posts, but your comments in the guestbook allerted me to a problem. I’ll try to figure out what’s going on and will make a new entry.

    Good things,

    Simone

  • Hi Fellow InternetIslander. This is the Warrior-Wizard here doing my rounds around the InternetIsland to meet with everybody that is on this island. I am talking philosophy and ideas on my site…if this type of bug is biting you to please pop around and introduce yourself. All opinions are welcomed. Maybe you need a spell or a potion some divination or just a jolt of wisdom…drop in my offices are always open for a chat or consultation.

  • You have explained your depression quite well and recognized the chemistry imbalance. I also was impressed by the fact you an be happy tho depressed. You are right, it is possible. It is also possible to be optimistic and depressed. I know all the right things to do and I do them, in self-defense if nothing else. The only thing that defeats me are thoughts. I have obsessive thoughts, thus the need for meds. These thoughts drive me insane. I believe in exercise, thus I work out six days a week at the Y and I do intense exercise, in some instances younger participants cannot lift the weights I lift. I do these in the mornings. The afternoons are for a nap and Xanga. I go to bed to read at around 8 to 9. I lead a simple, uncomplicated unexciting life, which is fine for me. Time limits, responsibility, knowing I have to entertain one day in the future, throws me. If I want to entertain, I ask at the last moment. Fortunately, my friends understand.

    Sorry to be long-winded. Reading this blog opened doors.

  • Depression actually is a symptom of an underlying problem like a sore throat. (Example someone suffering from OCD can be depressed but the depression is not the problem but the symptom). Antidepressants have a very high percentage of placabo factor so I am not sure what is actually physical and what is learnt behavior. I think that is a common misunderstanding in our society. Emotions for me can and maybe should be in part be reactions to our surroundings to me that is being human, vulnerable which is scary. I do agree though with a lot that you said about thought patterns. I do not think happiness can really be defined.

  • I agree with you in part…thought patterns have a hugh influence on how we feel about circumstance….but I think that life events can certainly cause not only distress but a transitory period where a person can not think themselves into an accepting or happy state of mind…and I think this is because there are some things that are truly difficult to accept.Most people can eventually overcome but it is a process. Down here we still have folks living in tents and looking out the tent flap at the rubble that was their home…and insurence isn’t covering and FEMA isn’t helping cause they have insurence…and if they feel unhappy itts because it is an unhappy circumstance to be in.I will follow your link though. My question ,1.What can parents do to encourage children to think…positively? The other question is Are there neurological differences that make it more likely for a person to be prone to negative thought patterns.?.(aside from depressio which I too recognise as something medical) Very coherent and thoughtful post.Thanks Mia Lucia

  • Nancy, you have really given this some thought. That is appreciated. I agree that it is not the external but the internal that  is the happiness source.I know too well that some people cannot seem to get out of depression. My dad is close to death at age 59. Eight years of hell and now dementia from all the lithium, ect and  the rest.. he is such a gentle soul.it hurts ..love is appreciation of that person..i like this but  do you equate love with respect?

    Can you love without respect and respect without love?

    Thank you for your  intelligence and expression of such intelligence…

  • great post.  Have a nice week.

  • ryc. I would agree with regard to immediate reactions…but I am thinking about how chronic hardship canundermine happieness…perhaps because stress hormones change brain chemistry…so I suppose I agree with you i part… but still feel even optomists can find it difficult to be happy under extreme duress…this is a good discussion is it not ? Than9kyou for the compliment.

  • I agree with your post…It was nice to see you around on the island thanks for stopping by-come back and visit anytime

    Have a great day!

    Christine

  • I agree with this for the most part! I am familiar with depression, as well. Perhaps, in enlightenment, our ‘feelings’ are more universal, and correlate with the spiritual.

  • Very insightful. 

  • hey nancy, how are you? ryc: i’d say safety is the number 1 thing that makes me happy.

    your entry is very intresting and i had to read it a few times to understand everything and look up a few words. i agree that happiness is more internal and love is more external. i agree with what Miashineon said in her comments, i think there are events in life that can make us extremely unhappy ’cause it’s too much for our brains and bodies to handle. maybe it’s a nature disaster, abuse, a death or something else. we can choose to have a positive outlook but we can’t stop bad things from happening and affecting our lives. i have a question for you, if there is a “happiness file” in our brains and we think of snow as something good and beautiful, then what is it that tells us to be happy the first time we experience something? i hope you understand the question, it’s real hard to explain and i’m new at this. hope you’re having a good day. take care, charlie

  • Although fallen from grace within the therapeutic community in recent years, Ellis’ technique in therapy [literally] saved my life in 1977 and so I remain to hold his views in high regard. I think his theories work very well for anxiety; however, severe clinical depression may not always stem from beliefs within his framework and this is where it all gets a bit nebulous.

    I like the healing studies given by Dr. Andrew Weil. I know it sounds cliche, but I have come to see more and more the importance of integrative medicine through mind, spirit, body connection and its’ benefit in the treatment of depressive illness.

    Nice entry this day. Blessings~

  • Hello. My name is Tami. I am a fellow islander. I am a wife and mother of 8 kids. Yes I do stay at home and want to pull my hair out with that many kids but as they get older I am learning how to adjust and gain more patience. Anywho, I wanted to stop over and introduce myself. Have a wonderful Friday and it was nice meeting you. Tami

  • Love can be…what gives us our happiness.  That is what one of the differences between love and happiness is! :D

  • “Do you think that being aware of the fine distinctions between emotions is helpful in understanding ourselves and others?”

    RYC:  Yes, I do feel that it’s important to be aware of these distinctions.  Being able to see whether someone is joyful or merely “happy” - or not and just faking it – let’s you know a lot about that person and their state of being, and what they might need from you.  You can look at their posessions, surroundings, companions, etc. and get a sense of what is NOT making them satisfied and then better go about finding a way to help them, or point their attention to a part of life that might need some better attention.  One person may need just some monetary or actual physical assistance, while another might need merely someone to listen and validate their life for them.

    Also, often we don’t see ourselves as clearly as others do, but looking at other people’s lives and judging thier existences and struggles by these criteria or “distinctions” of emotions will help us to better evaluate our own lives and do proper maintenance, or find someone to help us or to just be an ear.

    I haven’t been able to cover the Cafe’s enlightment topic, but you have some great thoughts, here.  I appreciate your comments on depression.  Very interesting!

    Take care –  John

  • ryc: I guess I don’t really believe that universal enlightenment is possible in a literal sense, but I do think it provides a wonderful metaphor for how we choose to live our lives.  I especialliy like the idea that the path to universal enlightenment depends on a commitment to the idea that it’s only really enlightenment if we all get to share in it.

    Jeff

  • I know its a cliche, but it’s not the destination that’s important, it’s the journey.

  • Thank you so much for taking teh time to read the story and for leaving a comment.  I’m glad you enjoyed it.

  • This is a nice piece on what happiness means to you, and I have to say that you’re a very optimistic person.  You don’t let things get you down, and I envy you!  With every cloud and thunderstorm, you see a rainbow.  With that being said, do you believe that a person’s genetic makeup or environmental upbringing influences whether they are an underlying optimist or pesimist even if they have depression?  I seem to be  naturally  pesimistic and let depression get the best of me, while you appear to be  naturally optimistic and chase depression away. 

  • Hello Nancy. This was very well done entry.  I agree with you completely.  This was a hard topic for me and one I didn’t feel quite up to tackling.  You did a fabulous job though.

    RYC:  Thanks for reading mine.  Yes I believe that Knowlege and Understanding are very different and are quite likely the limiting factors in reaching enlightenment.  Knowledge is easy to obtain today but is useless without understanding.  There are many who obtain vast stores of knowledge with no understanding and who can never hope to achieve enlightenment. 

  • This description of depression, and your approach to fighting it, is excellent. You know what helps you and also that others may need other things. I read the link. I’m not sure I fully understand all the implications, but it’s a new (for me) and interesting way to think about mental health.

    I had not thought of separating out depression from unhappiness (or happiness) that way. You’re right, depression and unhappiness are not synonyms. Nor is sadness, now that I think about it. I really like separating them out.

    I actually think it’s ok to be unhappy sometimes. If you take it as an opportunity to do what you described — to try to figure out the why of your unhappiness, and really evaluate the connection to the events may have evoked unhappiness — then it helps you grow and makes it easier (mostly) when ‘bad’ events recur to overcome them.

  • Nancy, I’m just getting around to reading this, and I do apologise, but I see I wasn’t missed. You had a very good conversation with some of the others. Now, I should go take a look at your second entry to put your thougths together. I do want to say, first, that I found your thoughts about the difference between unhappiness and depression interesting. I’m not sure I can separate the two in my head, yet. Do you suppose if one suffers from a constant low-grade depression that it would be hard to separate the two?

  • I totally agree with you on how happiness and unhappiness are conditions of our inner view points on life. I think it is very difficult for me to remember that though. When I get unhappy about something or upset with someone it is very hard for me to realize that this is not necessarily the other person’s problem but perhaps a problem with my own outlook on life. Happiness is something that was choose to be and not something endowed upon us from outside.

    I have a difficult time distinguishing the difference between unhappiness that I feel and depression. I can’t tell if I’m just unhappy about something and that’s causing my dark mood or if I’m actually depressed. (I am pretty sure that I am not clinically depressed.) Anyway, I do have a tendency to see things in a negative light and I think it’s a really bad habit. I’ve been trying to break that habit but it’s been difficult. I think switching from a habit of negativity to happiness requires a paradigm shift.

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