December 14, 2005
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Does the Soul Exist?
This is an entry for Socrates Cafe on“Topic #17: What is a ‘soul’ (eternal spirit)? Does one exist?”. It’s a difficult topic and one that cannot be proven, since each person’s position on it relies heavily on faith, or at least on his/her basic premise about life.
I do believe that humans, and perhaps other creatures, have souls. My church teaches that the soul is what distinguishes humans from animals, but I am not sure that I accept that belief anymore. I am open to the idea that animals have souls also. I find that as I get older and think more deeply about certain topics, I do not blindly accept all teachings of my religion. I think that that is a good thing, a sign of maturity. A thinking person does not accept something without question just because an authority figure says that it is true.
So how did I arrive at my belief about the existence of the soul? First, I think it is important to define what I mean by “soul.” My definition may or may not be the same as someone else’s.
The soul is who a person is. It is not the brain, emotions, or “heart.” I do not believe that a person can experience his/her soul consciously, or at least most of us can’t, but I do believe that we experience it unconsciously and that it determines many things about our lives. The soul is not physical. It is the spark that gives the individual life. Some would argue that it is the biochemical processes of our bodies that give us life, and that when those end, life ends. I do not think it is that simple. As an RN, I have seen many people die. To me, the change that occurs at death is very profound and is much more than the simple stopping of chemical processes. I always feel that when someone dies, there is very clearly something that is not there that was there at the moment before death. I experience this change very clearly as something that leaves. That may be based on my religious education, but I don’t feel that it is. I think that it comes from empiric observation. Many years ago, I read a piece of research that attempted to prove that the soul actually leaves the body at death by placing dying people on bed scales so that they were weighed immediately before and immediately after death. They found a small but significant weight difference. After death, the body weighed slightly less. The difference could not be accounted for by simple loss of bodily fluids as sphincters relaxed, because all fluids lost were still on the scale. I am not sure that that research really proved anything, but it was interesting.
Many researchers have studied near death experiences in an effort to prove or disprove survival of the soul. Elizabeth Kubler Ross is probably the best known. Raymond Moody is another well known near death researcher. One of the things that I find most interesting about near death experience research is that some researchers enter the field to prove that death is the permanent end of life and end up being convinced that it is not. Still, they cannot prove that it is not because it is not possible to interview a person who has experienced irreversible cessation of vital functions. So, it is still a matter of faith and subject to acceptance or rejection.
Since science cannot prove or disprove the existence of the soul, why do I believe that it exists? My life experience tells me that it does. I can report several experiences that have helped me to reach that conclusion.
When I was a child, our household consisted of my mother, her parents, and myself. My mother was 39 when I was born, and her parents were not young when she was born, so by the time I came along, my grandparents were very elderly. My grandfather died when I was 6 years old and he was 87. He died during the night in our home. I was asleep when he died, but my mother and her sisters were with him. Over the years following his death, I heard them tell this story many times.
My grandfather was blind and had been blind for many years. His corneas were scarred and had become quite opaque, causing his eye color to be difficult to determine. As my mother and her sisters were sitting at his bedside, he began to be interested in something in the far end of the room. He wanted my mom and her sisters to look at it. My mom did not. She remained focused on his face. All of a sudden, my grandfather turned to her and said. “I told you to look there!” My grandfather was able to see that my mother was not doing as she was told. My mom always said that at that point, his eye color returned to the beautiful blue that it had been in his youth. Soon after that, he closed his eyes and died quietly.
Many years later, after I was married, my mom sold our home and moved to New Jersey to keep house for her brother, who was also alone. She lived out there until 1983, when my uncle died. During his final illness, he had a cardiac arrest and was resuscitated. He was alert and oriented after the resuscitation. He told my mom that he had seen deceased family members and that he had been told that he was not going to survive the illness. He also told her that she was not going to live much longer. He died within 24 hours. My mom lived another 2 years.
When I was born in 1948, my mom was a 39 year old unmarried mother. In 1948, that was quite scandalous. She decided to keep me and raise me, but she told everyone, including her family, that I was adopted, and, indeed, she did go through the process of legally adopting me. She never recanted that story to anyone. By the time she died, I had come to the conclusion that I had to be from my family because of a series of similarities that were too numerous to be coincidence. I spent a good amount of time speculating on exactly where in the family I originated, but I did not consider that I could be my mother’s biological child. Several years after her death, my husband and I made a trip to Jamaica with our family and some friends. During that trip, my passport disappeared. A few years after that, I needed a passport again, so I tried to apply for a new one. My application was rejected because my birth certificate was issued at the time my adoption became final when I was 4 years old. Now, I had been able to get my original passport with that birth certificate, but, this time, I was told that I would have to produce my adoption papers. I did not think that was a problem, because I had them at home. When I went to get them, though, they were nowhere to be found, in spite of the fact that we are very careful about keeping such documents filed. After searching with no success, we contacted the State of Nebraska, where my adoption took place, to get another copy.
When I requested my adoption papers, I was told that adoption records are now open in Nebraska and that I could have my whole record if I wanted it, so I asked to have it sent. When it arrived, I received the document my mother signed to surrender her parental rights. With it was the final decree of adoption. They were dated on the same day. She went through a 4 year process of court appearances and social worker visits to finally sit there and sign away her rights to me so that she could go through the legal process of adoption, all so nobody would know that I was illegitimate. When I held those documents in my hands, I had an eerie sense of my mom saying, “Darn! I should have told Nancy the truth when I was alive! Now, I have to find a way to tell her!” After I received my records from the State of Nebraska, I found not one, but three copies of my adoption papers in my house, all in places that had been searched previously.
My mother did not name my father on any of the documents that I have received, so I do not know who he was. I suspect that my birth certificate, which was issued at the time my adoption became final and says that I was born in Missouri, is not accurate, because my baptismal record, which was issued 1 month after I was born, says that I was born in New York State. My birth certificate has now disappeared and I need to try to get another copy. I am wondering what I will find out when I do.
To me, these experiences mean that there is something that survives after what we call death. I realize that not everyone would interpret them that way. That is why this is a matter of faith. It is something that cannot be proven.
Do you believe that we have souls? If you do, what is your evidence for that belief?
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Comments (32)
I enjoyed reading this, thank you for taking the time to write it.
The proof of soul comes to me in the fact that we have emotions and awareness, there is no organ for awareness, unless you count the soul. I know that it can be argued that nerves connected to the brain give us sensations and emotions are produced by hormonal and chemical reactions inside our bodies, but we have the ability to make choices and are not controlled by the functions of our bodies.
My Grandmother died a few months before my only biological daughter was born, and she had been diagnosed with a kidney disease in utero. I was not even sure she would survive outside my body, but my worries were set to rest when my Grandma came to me in a dream, holding my child, and she said although it was her turn to hold the baby (if she had been alive she would have been too weak to lift her arms and hold her), Grandma promised me my baby would be just fine. She is 18 months old, has survived 3 surgeries, and is very healthy.
Yes I do believe we have souls. And I also believe that animals have souls too.
Wow… I read this post completely mesmerized. Both of my parents were adopted and do not know who their biological parents are so the story totally fascinates me. I wish you luck in your search. Do you think that your mother’s soul had something to do with guiding you towards the answers that you already found, then?
A very interesting subject again Nance
Yes I agree we do have souls
yes we do
I do believe we have souls. I believe there is something greater than ourselves… God. I don’t have a story to share that comes to mind… but my faith comes from a deep peaceful sense of the existence of God and how He created us… like him. The bodies we carry are only temporary vessels.. and eternity is not something to dismiss. I believe we will all experience an enternity… it just depends on what path we choose.
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Yes, I believe we, and animals have souls. It is the very essence of my being. I love what you had to share.
fabulous post
This reminds me so much of my Maternal Grandparents who did not believe animals “went to heaven as they had no souls”. I didn’t argue with them but as a child I couldn’t understand if heaven was to be beautiful that animals wouldn’t be included.
I suppose it would be my religious teaching that told me all humans have souls. I know I firmly believe the devil has a grip on some of them. But I suppose that is not for me to judge whose either.
Yes, I believe we have souls and that animals have souls. I think Buddhist believe that every animal has a soul and that the soul in an insect or an animal such as a toad or a frog is a new soul and is working its way upward. Don’t know if I believe that or not. I don’t think our souls come back as an animal as some people believe but I have several types of animal that I’d choose – a cat, for instance. I have some similar experiences and have read extensively about NDEs. Very interesting post.
A very, very interesting post! I really enjoyed the life stories and it all made me think. I know what you mean about that feeling when you see a person die…that is exactly how I felt when I went into my father’s room when he died. He died very suddenly inbetween being taken from one room to another for the most part, so by the time I saw him again he had died…and that room had a sense in it that I’ve always described as “lighter”.
Soul is called in French ” âme ” which comes from the latin ” anima ” . This means that gives movment , life . Soul for me equals ” I am ” . . And this reminds me in the Bible , God don’ t give His name but says ” I am the One who is ” . So we are part of God and this part is soul . Soul may also be define also by the blow of life .
Intersting reflection , Nancy , as always .
Love
Michel
IIs #3 topic takes some thought and this is a very busy time. I’m glad that you enjoyed mine. Yes, I’ve been to the eastern and western Caribbean and have seen near all the islands. I kind of enjoy finding obscure islands like the Pharoehs. Not exactly a destination island! But it takes a certain person to live there, one who never knew any other life after generations of being in the same place. Which brings me to another island…Manhattan. Many of those people never leave not even for vacation. They wouldn’t think of any other place but Manhattan as home. Well, that’s my experience, anyway. Thanks for visiting! When you get a chance, tell me about your experiences in the Caribbean. Perhaps you can choose one and expound on that beautiful water! hugs, nanalana
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I go through no trouble at all, because I love decorating it. Too bad the usual layout providers make those annoying blinking titles. I think we have souls.
My sister passed a while back, but I still believe that even though her physical body is here she’s somewhere else spiritually. I guess it’s just something we won’t understand until death, so it’s pretty normal to question. I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately, too.
Hey!! yes i believe we have souls…i think your outlooks are very interesting..Just dropped by and decided to say hi..<3 Kimberly
Thanks for stopping by, I hope you do so again, I always love meeting new people here in Xanga land. I read your post, I enjoyed it very much. As a RN myself, I have seen many deaths and I do see a peacefulness come over someone right before they leave this world. I have experienced many things in my life that to this day I cannot explain. My Grandmother for one is a unique individual in an eerie way, I have seen it many times and I still can’t explain it….lol I have been with her on several occasions when something happened and I could not explain it but I knew when it happened that something bad had happened, after these revelations were revealed to us, within minutes word would come of a death of someone my Grandmother knew. As I said I can’t explain it, but I do know it exists because I have experienced it myself. Take care.
Donna
I do believe we have souls, too. It must have been a very surreal experience to read your adoption file. Your Mother was a strong women to raise you, even under the protected identity of adoption. In 1948, it would have been terribly hard to have a child out of wedlock. ryc: Thank you so much for your comments. I look forward to reading your Fantasy Vacation post in the future.
This is an incredible and wonderful post! I have never had any experiences as you and your family have had, although I lean in your direction as far as life after death. How does this make you feel to find all of this out? Does it make you feel loved, cheated, impatient, fulfilled, or all of the above at different times?
You are a very special person, it seems – very deep and interesting. All of your posts are interesting. Thank you for sharing this. – John
My father passed away when I was 19. My sister and my grandmother had a very difficult time accepting his death. Both of them had a visit from him a few months later. They were awake, and saw him very clearly, although he was filmy, i.e. they could see through him. I feel the presence of my loved ones who have passed on at various times.
I, too, have read about the weight of the soul.
I totally believe that your mother tried to make the truth right for you after her death. Perhaps God expects this of all of us. But sometimes we are so afraid to see disappointment in the eyes of our loved ones, that we find it almost impossible to share the sad truths. You are better for knowing it, though. And the truth shall set you free. Question: Would you like to know who your father is? Perhaps he doesn’t even know about you.
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For John and Chele,
Actually, finding out that my mother was my birth mother had no effect on my that I can identify. My mom and I were always very close and I never wanted to find my “real” mother the way many adopted kids do. I did feel that I came from our family because of the many commonalities that I mention in my post. There are just too many for me not to be biologically related to them. That did not mean that I really needed to know where in the family I originated. My daughter was really the one who wanted to know that, so it was primarily for her that I had my file sent.
I do not feel that the circumstances of my birth matter at all. They were not under my control and knowing about them does not change who I am or how I view my mother and my family. My mom’s family was very conservative, so she probably could not tell them that I was her child. That is not my problem, though. They were all gone before she died, so she could have told me, but she had lived with the lie for so long that there was probably not a good way to do it.
As for my father, I do think that he knew about me and that my mother kept him informed about me. I have very little respect for him because he allowed my mother to struggle (and it was a hard struggle) to raise me alone. He is probably not living, but if he is, I am not sure I would be interested in meeting him. I would be interested in meeting brothers and sisters, though. I have always wanted siblings.
Nancy
This was beautifully written full of personal stories of the ones you love. Thank you so much for sharing it with us! I do believe people and animals have souls. I believe sometimes, they can live for awhile until they say their goodbyes.
When my brother died, he called my name several times – I was the only one that heard it – I was 7 years old. That same week, he came to me in a dream telling me he was fine and that I should be a happy girl. I recently found out that he did the same thing to my little sister.
I am so happy to have read this for it gave me a glimpse of both yours and other’s experiences. I, too, believe in souls, both rested and restless. I have been “rescued” several times by the soul or souls of my departed loved ones. I can’t prove it, but I felt it. I’ve had warnings. I would never believe my cats do not have souls, for souls are what our eyes are for since they have been called “The windows of our soul.” Both Shug and Lily express themselves with their eyes. They are very different in looks and temperament and that is reflected in their eyes. I was so impressed by Fauquet’s comment. It was heart-warming. When he said “blow” at the end, I think he meant the breath…and God breathes on us and we have a soul. Isn’t that lovely??
Thank you so much, Nancy.
Very nice essay !
I personally don’t believe in a “Soul” or anything. We are no better than microprocessors.
Wonderful post. I believe we do have a soul, but I believe that all living things do as well.
RYC: Yes, the snow is beautiful, isn’t it? I just hate driving in it! Looks like we’re going to have a white Christmas afterall!!! Stay warm
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I’m being nosy, now, but not just to be nosy – I am interested in what happens in humanity. So my question is, what makes you think that your mother kept your father informed about you and kept in contact? What if there was some extenuating circumstance that precluded him getting involved?
But you are right – it really has not much to do with who you are, although in some ways it might have affected you and you just didn’t realize it.
You seem to have turned out very well! Thank you for being so open about this - it might help other people in similar circumstances.
What an interesting ,and sadly touching story.Like you some f my thinking is changing as I get older ,but thats not a bad thing. I read the answers you gave ,and i agree completely ,what our parents are responsible for ,good decisions ,and bad ar not our challenge or burden. RYC I think ,or rather I feel new souls are relatively rare…and that they come into being as all souls do by being created.I do not hazard a guess as to the nature of the creator ,she ? he ? it may be a single entity , or not…I just don’t know. I absolutely feel we have a purpose ,and that is to learn, to outgrow the human traits that are brutal and destructive. I see planet earth as something a kin to a great big play pen, We are evolving and will move on but not until we are ready,You wouldn’t turn a three year old loose on a city street ,especially one who had the capacity to be extremely destructive. In other words we are not allowed in with the grown ups as it were till we learn to behave, Now mind you this is just a notion I have…not a deeply held belief. Under that heading is only the belief that we have soulds and that they survive our bodies death.The last question ,again is only something I can muse about and I would say no…we go where we can learn ,and teach the most ,not where we want to go…..
Excellent and thoughtful post
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Hi Nance,
This is one great entry. I agree with you , I do think we have souls, possibly animals..I love your views on this.
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Very interesting and uplifting to read your blog on soul. I believe we have a soul.