February 26, 2006
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Michel suggested that I should write about the online classes that I teach. This is my first quarter teaching online, and I have to say that it is different than I thought it would be. The thing that I enjoy most about teaching is the student contact, and that is what I was afraid would be missing in the online classes. I was wrong about that. I think that I actually have more contact with my online students than I do with my onsite students. It’s a different kind of contact, of course. In a classroom, I see the students’ faces, and that gives me a certain connection to them that I don’t have with the students in the online classes. On the other hand, in the classroom, all of the students are there together, so they compete for my attention. I have to control the amount of time each one gets, or we won’t get through the lesson in the allowed time. I may have to cut off discussion before one of them gets to make his/her comment or ask a question, and that may affect his/her understanding of the material. Classes meet during certain hours on certain days of the week. While students may choose to come early or to stay after class to talk to me, for the most part, my contact with them is limited to the scheduled hours and days of the class.
Communication in the online classes takes place on a discussion board, so when I am reading a student’s work, I am dealing only with that student. I also have frequent email contact with students, again offering them my undivided one-on-one attention. I find that I check the discussion boards of my 3 classes a couple of times a day every day, plus I check my email at least that often. Students, therefore, have the opportunity for my attention nearly every day. They seldom wait more that a few hours for the answer to a question or for feedback on their work. Everything is much more individualized so students should be able to get their needs met.
Notice that I said should. Of course, success does depend on the student. While I have many students who participate very actively in the discussion board and email me with all kinds of questions and concerns, like in an onsite class, I have students who want to do the minimum amount of work and who only contact me if they feel that they have been wronged in some way. I do not think that those students fare as well online as they would in a regular classroom. If they were in a class, they would hear the discussion whether they wanted to or not. Even if they did not pay much attention, they would likely absorb some of it. Online, they can successfully avoid learning anything at all if that is their choice.
Another concern about online instruction is testing. Students are told that they are not to use their books and other materials during tests, but, since they are in the privacy of their own homes and can take tests when they are alone, there is really nothing to stop them from doing that. The tests are timed and I know if they exceed the allotted time. That, hopefully, means that they cannot look up all the answers unless they can do it very quickly and efficiently. I have had students who took as much as 3 times the allowed time on tests. I have informed them that that is not acceptable and their times are now closer to what is allowed. Still, I do not really know how they are taking the tests or even who is taking them.
I think that to be successful in an online class, a student has to be very disciplined and very dedicated to learning. Just as in a regular class, not all of them are. I think that cheating is easier for those who want to do that, so that perhaps students get grades or credits that they do not really earn. On the other hand, I think that online learning offers a wonderful opportunity for a really dedicated student.
Comments (25)
Nancy – This is interesting about your online classes. I have thought about taking online courses for a while, but haven’t decided whether to or not. What institution do you teach for/at? The testing situation would be a bit different – one would never know if the student is cheating or not, nor would the consciencious students be rewarded for their honesty.
Regarding your comment – I have been taking a break for from the blogring forums. I was having some difficulty there for awhile – overwhelmed with all of the commenting, questions and answers, and I often take things more personally than they are usually meant. Relational situations seem to be very important to me, and I was getting very stressed-out. Also, I was dealing with the bipolar situation and I might have been close to a nervous breakdown, or something close, so I decided to take time out to clear my mind and sort things out and get better.
There are times when I haven’t posted for several days, but posting is getting easier and I am feeling better and more clear of mind. More centered. So, I might be returning soon - I only hope I haven’t taken too long.
John
I didn’t know that on-line classes had discussion boards. I bet you can get a great discussion going, since shy people are usually less shy when speaking with their keyboards.
Our junior college has on-line courses now. I am not disciplined so it is not an option for me. I also tend to stay in my own little world so it is best I get out every day rather than being here with a computer.
I was so happy to see your comment on my site. It made me very glad I posted.
I am gouing to link my sister to you .she too is teaching online ,and just started doing so recently.RYC Thanks you…..
I remember daughter going nuts with some of her classmates in online classes. Something about group messages where they got into cutesy comments about religion and she is not in a religion class. She was griping it was out of place. Think that class is over now. She is all no nonsense.
A interesting way to learn. I am doing a similar sort of thing at the moment but I do online exams and I do not get a text book so there is no cheating for me
wow thats great . Have a nice week.
Thank you Nancy to share your experience and as always your conclusions are well balanced . Yes the teaching online personalizes the relation and satisfies fully the needs expressed . But as you say this demands also a good will and motivation from the students . I wonder if the two teaching forms mixed would not be a good thing . But I am grateful to hear someone who practises .because I have never known the online teaching . It ‘ s sure it will be a normal way of teaching among others .Thank tyou again .
Michel
Love
Thanks for visiting. About 18 months ago, my wife decided to take a second masters online. She did her first masters the old-fashioned way 30 years ago. She’s mostly had a good experience with the online program, but she’s going to be very pleased to be done this summer.
Several of the guys I work with are working on degrees via online classes. They seem to like it a lot.
Nance, during my teaching career, I never taught on-line (I retired over 20 years ago and the internet wasn’t around much) but I can see one disadvantage – that of immediate feedback. I suppose I was a Socratic teacher (mostly European History and Humanities) and a lot of what went on in class was two-way, which motivated both me and the students. that’s obviously missing on an on-line course where everything is sort of lecturish and feed-back is somewhat delayed.
That being said, I really believe on-line is the future of education from top to bottom. I now spend an awful lot of time on-line and my wife jokes that I am resuming my teaching career. As only a few of those I correspond with agree with what I have to say, I suppose she’s right but I still have a lot to learn
I responded to your questions in my blog http://www.xanga.com/Mia/449955857/item.html if you want to go see.
I would like to take some online classes, but they cost nearly as much as the real thing. I just dont have the money right now. Do you know how much your average class costs? And what kinds of classes are offered at your school? Can anyone take them? or just accepted students? I would love to take creative writing course and history/biology/archeology classes, but the closest college is an hour away and I cant afford it. -pouts- I whine a lot dont I?
~Mia
I’ve never taken an online class, nor have I thought about it much, till now. Obviously, there are advantages and disadvantages all around, and everything depends on the individual. I like to pollyanna my way through life — convincing myself that the job I have is the job I want, that the place I live is the place I would choose if I had to make a choice, that the wife I have is the best wife for me, etc. etc. etc.
This is working well for me. But again. Everything depends on the individual.
Dear Nancy,
I would think that pretty soon we will have a cheap way of video conferencing so that you can actually “see” your students when interacting with them. That said, I do like the comment from Daylily02 above relating that some shy people might even open up online better than in a classroom situation. I am childless, and my schooldays happened long ago, but I would surmise that there are still situations where only a few vocal students are called on and give input in any classroom situation.
You are doing a great job running the Socrates Cafe blogring. What happened to Simone? I wish I could make more time to participate in the discussions. I did try to visit each person on each of the last topics, and ask a series of questions. I haven’t made the time to respond to the questions asked of me on my post, but there really weren’t that many, since I guess I posted so far into the week. (Or “weeks”)
Michael F. Nyiri, poet philosopher, fool
I’m too ADH…
You’re teaching an online course? COOL!
I get distracted to easily to take a course online. I need someone to get my focus on the subject matter. The computer only makes me wander off and…
Hi there!
I’ve replied to you on my site: http://www.xanga.com/LimeliteShines/446896481/item.html
I’ve never taken an online class. I like the ‘school’ atmosphere too much.
If I took online classes, I never would have left my desk chair. *lol* not good!
I’ve always wanted to go back to school but it’s near impossible to fit it in with working 40 hours a week. I think an online class would help becuase I could fit it in to my schedule late at night or early in the morning on my terms.
Would you consider my questions on the sites the last couple of weeks appropriate? Not my comments so much as the questions I asked? If so, I’m willing to host. If not, please help me understand what’s appropriate, and I’ll still consider it.
On a curious personal note, I don’t get offended easily. I may get defensive, but usually that means I’m enjoying the engagement. So if you disagree with me on something, I appreciate knowing it. I know as host you may not be able to do that. But perhaps you could let me know in another way what you disagree with, or where my arguments are weak? I’m really trying to use this forum to improve my communication skills and to test varying writing styles (since I want to be a philosophical writer). I agree that confrontation and disagreement is more fruitful than unanimity.
I want to emphasize that my personal desire for confrontation and growth does not mean I’m not capable of being respectful with an individual who feels I’m crossing the line. But you can be the judge of that.
Thank you. I will be glad to host, though a little apprehensive. Thanks for your trust.
Hi Nance,
I have lots of time, as well as the inclination – and even some training in objectivity
I’ll be glad to host – give me an assignment.
Dick ( E-mail: tychecat@tychecat.com)
Nancy, thanks for your comment on my blog, i tried to answer to it over there.
Ciao
dario
I have only taught one online class, but I really liked it for all the reasons you said. The midterm and final exams were taken at a Lutheran church near the student. I set up the time so the secretary was there to make sure no books were brought in. Of course, this only works with a Lutheran school online course.
I have taken many online classes – some good and some bad. I have had the good teachers and I have had some really bad ones who never seem to answer emails until it is to late to complete an assignment. The only bad thing I see with online classes is that when I raise my hand to ask a question, no one ever calls on me.
Glad your class is going well
Thank you for your comment about the old toys , Nancy . It ‘ s the same for us all , finally !
And thank you also for you birthday wishes . It ‘ s kind .
Love
Michel